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Status of fic writing: at 19,500 words. \o/

Masculinity, Militarism and Eighteenth-Century Culture, 1689-1815, by Julia Bannister (2018)
Well hey, who knew I would find my court-martial information in a gender studies book? Admittedly not information on procedure, but the book analyzes a couple of mid-18th-century court-martials that were widely discussed in public, in the context of different models of masculinity for military men. Definitely useful as background material for fic.

I am slowly making my way through a concurrent re-read of Flight of the Heron and Christopher Duffy's The '45, which is an extremely readable and detailed 600-page brick about the war in which Flight of the Heron is set. I'm switching between them so I can compare events in the war, and I am so impressed with D K Broster's research and the depth of the background in the book. But then, her Wikipedia entry says that she was one of the first women to study history at Oxford at the end of the 19th century, and later worked as secretary to a professor of history.

One thing that struck me is how Keith's aversion to the Highlands in the beginning of FotH, which I had thought to be kind of exaggerated, is actually very historically reasonable. Did mid-18th-century Englishmen really think mountains were ugly? Turns out they did. Duffy quotes a contemporary source saying about the Scottish Highlands: "an eye accustomed to flowery pastures and waving harvests is astonished and repelled by this wide extent of hopeless sterility," where the mountains, "always horrid to behold, looked positively diseased when the heather was in bloom." I am boggled at how aesthetics change! It seems to be related to Age of Reason attitudes to landscapes as primarily seen as beautiful if they were cultivated, tamed, and useful to people (useful in a certain civilized way, I guess, since a lot of people made their living by transhumance with cattle and sheep in the Highlands). A far cry from the later Romantic period, anyway.

Oh, and also I read one non-FotH-related book, because my reservation on it came in at the library.

Den rödaste rosen slår ut, by Liv Strömqvist (2019) [The Reddest Rose Blossoms]
The author is a well-known Swedish feminist and this is the latest in her series of non-fiction graphic novels exploring romantic relationships and gender roles. She's always worth reading.

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Date: 2020-02-16 08:41 pm (UTC)
regshoe: Redwing, a brown bird with a red wing patch, perched in a tree (Default)
From: [personal profile] regshoe
Yeah, it is amazing how much attitudes to landscapes have changed! I suppose it's a more pragmatic way of looking at it—it can't have been easy or pleasant to actually travel across mountains in the eighteenth century if you weren't used to it, and someone in that position isn't necessarily going to be thinking about the aesthetics of the landscape first.

I am so impressed with D K Broster's research and the depth of the background in the book. Oh, I know—the historical detail is just great :D (I've just gone to look at that Wikipedia page out of curiosity, and it also says she 'consulted eighty reference books' before writing FotH—now that's dedication!)

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Date: 2020-02-17 05:42 pm (UTC)
regshoe: Redwing, a brown bird with a red wing patch, perched in a tree (Default)
From: [personal profile] regshoe
Perhaps! I agree that it's about cultural trends, but I kind of feel like there must be reasons why particular cultural groups felt one way or the other—but it could equally well just be arbitrary. I don't know very much about how and why the Romantics started taking the attitudes they did, for that matter—could be an interesting subject to explore sometime... :D

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Date: 2020-02-16 09:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jesse_the_k
I love that writing fic leads you into landscape aesthetics!

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Date: 2020-02-17 12:36 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] chestnut_pod
Almost 20,000! WOW \o/

That's so interesting about the landscapes - even though I read so much early pan-American colonial writing and see how shifting aesthetics attached themselves to the land here, I find I've never extended that understanding to the UK! And of course, I ought to have done. Thanks :)

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Date: 2020-02-17 12:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] seascribble
What! It's wild to me that mountains have no always been considered picturesque. The 18th century English, a strange bunch.

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Date: 2020-02-17 03:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] feroxargentea
Okay, I have a bone to pick with you, young lady. You recommended this book, the Flight of the Heron, and now my heart is broken :P Please point me to the fix-it fic!!

Re: attitudes to wilderness - yes, funny, isn't it? It's interesting to see how this trend from "wilderness is frightful and full of devils" to "yay unspoilt solitude" was mirrored in holidaying habits (the English started adding Alp-hiking and mountain climbing to their Grand Tours) and in gardening styles (out go the symmetrical, manicured parterres, in come the pre-ruined follies and the grottos-with-resident-hermit.) And then, after the Highland Clearances, it was easier for the English to romanticise the now conveniently empty Scottish highlands and islands as the places of romantic solitude they had never really been.

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Date: 2020-02-25 08:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] feroxargentea
Oops, sorry for not replying, and no don't worry, I wasn't upset! (in a hurry now, will reply re: book later)

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Date: 2020-02-26 04:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] feroxargentea
I'm halfway through listening to your podfic! (Or one of them. Maybe there's more. The one about the water horse, anyway.)

So, the book. It was fun! Surprisingly jolly, given its subject matter! I think that was mostly down to the dialogue -- clearly Broster was having fun with it, & it's all just a little bit overripe, more Georgette Heyer than Rosemary Sutcliff, & very entertaining. Also the romance arc -- I had expected this to be much more subtexual than it was, but on Keith's side it's very open, very romantic, and then there are all those strange subcurrents swirling through the other characters -- Ewen's obsession with his chieftain, his reluctance to join his wife in France ("Oh but I have guilt re: my chief!"), her reluctance to get married in the first place ("Oh but my dad is sick!"), all complicating things until the only pure romance arc is Keith's for Ewen. Ah, so much fun! BUT, ALSO, KILLING THE GAYS :(

Odd things -- how reluctant Broster is to include any actual battles. She just assumes you know what happened next! (Um, I do not. My understanding of Jacobite rebellions does not extend to remembering dates, battles, facts etc :P) She's obviously much more interested in soldiers' everyday lives than in their occasional action (which is fair), but it is amusing that so many chapters end with the threat of battle, only to skip straight to "...and three weeks later...".

Also, *maybe* she had spent more time trekking through history books than through heather? It doesn't have quite that sense of "thereness" in a landscape that you get with Sutcliff, where you can almost smell the heather in bloom and feel the squuuuluck of boots through peat bog. But maybe that's because I don't know the history and do know the bog!

Have you read the sequels? My copy is a three-in-one brick; I would have gone on reading straight away but my wrists hurt from holding the damn thing up (literally hurt, ow).

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Date: 2020-03-03 05:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] feroxargentea
I have, like, zero ability to be objective about this book, since the pairing hit me so hard.

It's lovely to see you falling in love with something – it's so sweet :) I didn't feel it that strongly but I do understand the feeling!

I will also be finished with a podfic of the long fix-it fic where Ewen drags Keith onto the ship with him and he survives.

That is *exactly* what I need. I nominated The Flight of the Heron for the Hurt/Comfort exchange, not because I think anyone will write it, but because it does no harm to point out to people that the fandom exists...

Yeah, the romance on Keith's side is very obvious, I agree! I mean, I think it's there on Ewen's side as well, though less obvious.

With Ewen it feels more like the “romantic friendship” that was more standard/expected at the time than it is now, but on Keith's side it's much more explicitly a physical attraction – not only that, but there's a clear character arc from confusion to recognition of its nature.

I had no idea about the history before reading the book, but I don't remember being confused?

It's not particularly confusing, no – and you don't need to understand all the details as long as you can gather the basics (who is winning!), much the same as with Patrick O'Brian's sea battles. I just found it amusing how blatantly the author leaves out what she's not interested in :)

I've read Gleam in the North and enjoyed it (well, except for the lack of Keith, AUGH). There are a lot of reminders of him, though, and Ewen clearly hasn't got over his death--I mean, the very first page hits you with the fact that he named his second son after Keith (the first is named after his now dead chieftain, obviously).

Ahh, really? Isn't there a bit of Heron where Ewen is hoping Keith might name one of *his* sons after him? I can't remember the details but remember being misled into thinking Ewen was the doomed one, arrgh. (The name is actually really offputting for me because it's my dad's name. I wish the character was called anything but that. I'm not sure why – I mean, Jack and Stephen and Fraser and Ray are all family names too and that doesn't bother me, but Keith, nooooo!)

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Date: 2020-03-05 07:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] feroxargentea
Soldiering in the wilderness does give a lot of opportunity for hurt/comfort :)

Keith was a much more unusual name at the time of writing the book. It was a Scottish surname that became popular as an English first name in the 1940s-60s or so -- the Baby Boomer generation, like my dad -- and has since dropped like a rock, becoming desperately uncool, as briefly-popular names do. Broster's original readers would have had quite a different perception of it than modern Brits. (Probably more info than you needed, sorry, but I'm fascinated by names and the way they rise in and out of fashion!)

And due South's use of the name Margaret Thatcher was a really poor choice IMO. Obviously dS has lots of joke names, but that one's not funny, not for anyone who grew up under Thatcherism and Section 28. I doubt they put a lot of thought into it, but she might as well be called Beelzebub.

Sorry to hear about the cold. I'm looking forward to the podfic, once you're better!

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Date: 2020-02-18 01:14 am (UTC)
hyarrowen: (Vic Roads)
From: [personal profile] hyarrowen
Oh, that book looks pretty relevant to a lot of my interests! I'll have to think about getting it.

DKB went to St Hilda's: https://www.st-hildas.ox.ac.uk/ The library, in particular, looks wonderful. For a women's college it doesn't look bad at all. (I take it you've read "A Room of One's Own"!)

The whole Enlightenment vs Romanticism divide is pretty interesting. Before the Industrial Revolution began, I can honestly see why people might prefer England's green fields to Scotland's mighty mountains. I mean, even the Stuarts did - from Mary Queen of Scots onwards they all wanted to reign from London, not Edinburgh! You probably needed a certain degree of background comfort to want to venture out into the wild.

I used to live in Derbyshire, where the Industrial Revolution began. I did have an idea about Ewen marching past Arkwright's Mill and getting a mental reset on the difference between the Highland way of life and the British. Unfortunately the Mill wasn't built until 1771, a generation later, so that idea went out of the window. But it's one of the what-ifs of history; if the Stuarts had regained power, would the social, economic and political conditions for the Industrial Revolution have come about at all?

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Date: 2020-02-18 01:16 am (UTC)
hyarrowen: (Vic Roads)
From: [personal profile] hyarrowen
*by "that book" I mean the Bannister...
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