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The Memoirs of Fanny Hill by John Cleland (1749)
So I was curious to see what 18th century pornography was like. It was interesting, though not to my taste, as porn goes. I only read a third of it, and then checked out the plot summary on Wikipedia. Here's some vocabulary:

Words for penis: machine, engine, instrument, weapon, truncheon, affair, champion. (I've seen the 18th century word 'yard' in other places, but it doesn't appear here.)
Words for vulva: cleft, slit, lips, wound.

The metaphors are often martial and violent, even when the sex is consensual (which it often is not). 'Weapon' is commonly used for 'penis', paired with 'wound' for 'vulva' (ugh!). Other examples: 'tender hostilities', 'bury himself to the hilt', 'a last dispatching thrust', 'assault', 'sally'. Secondarily, there's a fair amount of horse-related metaphors, such as referring to women as 'fillies', 'mounting/dismounting', 'breaking in', etc. Thirdly, I suppose the words 'machine/engine/instrument' might have to do with growing industrialism?

Some years ago, I read some 19th century porn: The Life and Amours of the Beautiful, Gay and Dashing Kate Percival (1864). There are similarities: both have a female main character, and both have f/f as her first sexual encounter. Both also have happy endings for the main character. Otherwise they're quite different.
- Fanny Hill has the typical circumlocutious 18th century language, but I wouldn't call it purple prose, which Kate Percival is full of. 'Two globes of alabaster reposing on a field of snow', anyone? But sometimes it's also just hilariously straightforward: '"Now I am going to titillate your clitoris with my tongue," said Herbert.' I would say that Fanny Hill has better writing, on the whole, and it's also more of an actual novel, while Kate Percival is more of a bunch of sex scenes strung together (although Fanny Hill has its fair share of that).
- Kate Percival is very focused on the clitoris (which is called exactly that), and pretty much all of the m/f sex has the man stimulating the woman's clitoris, with fingers or mouth. The clitoris very much corresponds to the penis, with references to it being erect, admiration for women with a large and well-formed clitoris, etc. It might as well not exist in Fanny Hill, which is very focused on penis-in-vagina sex (with the man occasionally receiving brief oral as preliminary--the parts I read never had the woman receive oral sex).
- In Fanny Hill, the f/f is clearly only a preliminary, and once she's had 'real' m/f sex, she quits having sex with women (at least in the parts I read). In Kate Percival, the main character continues to also enjoy sex with women.
- Fanny Hill has a bloody and painful deflowering scene which is dwelt on at length (though it's not non-con), while in Kate Percival, there's no pain, because the main character has already had f/f sex with a dildo before she has penetrative sex with a man (well, it's not on the page, but it's strongly implied). In general, Kate Percival has more consensual sex, and Fanny Hill more non-consensual sex and paid sex (at least the parts I read).
- Weirdly, in Kate Percival, all women seem to ejaculate copiously when they come.
- Fanny Hill has an m/m scene where the main character watches through a keyhole as one man fucks another. The characters condemn it and are disgusted by it.

Of course, both of these books are a sample of one, so I can't tell how much of the content and style reflects the different time periods, and how much it's just the taste of the individual writer.

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Date: 2020-06-18 08:30 pm (UTC)
oursin: image of hedgehogs having sex (bonking hedgehogs)
From: [personal profile] oursin
I'm not sure Fanny Hill is at all typical - I'm going by my recollections of Julie Peakman's Mighty Lewd Books on the C18th rise of pornography as a genre (though I htink Sarah Toulalan would dissent and take it well back into the C17th, with lots of f/f initiation scenes).

Kate Percival would appear to be US-based and produced - not sure how it would map to British Victporn - hesitate to say much on this as there is important new work under way which may upset all preconceived notions! But there is also some evidence that popular texts like penny dreadfuls, so maybe porn as well, were plagiarised, with local references swapped in, transatlantically.

I posted some while ago on the famous Sins of the Cities of the Plain, which is usually cited as being homoerotic, but it's pretty pansexual, actually.

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Date: 2020-06-18 08:34 pm (UTC)
aurumcalendula: gold, blue, orange, and purple shapes on a black background (Default)
From: [personal profile] aurumcalendula
I don't think I'd heard of Kate Percival until now (and now I kinda want to read it).

Tbh, I wouldn't have expected 1860s era porn to mention clitorises.

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Date: 2020-06-18 09:01 pm (UTC)
jesse_the_k: My black mutt totally blissed out, on her back, paws folded (BELLA on back)
From: [personal profile] jesse_the_k
*dipping into it for fun*

/sniggers like a 4 year old.

More seriously, fascinating report!

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Date: 2020-06-19 08:55 am (UTC)
oursin: Photograph of Queen Victoria, overwritten with Not Amused (queen victoria is not amused)
From: [personal profile] oursin
I'm not going to look it up before I've finished my coffee, but I think that classic early study Steven Marcus's The Other Victorians cites works of Victporn which not only mention clitorises, butinclude women having such enormous ones that they are able to use them to penetrate one another.

It's interesting that, although C19th editions of Aristotle's Masterpiece seem to have dropped the passages about titillating the clitoris in conjugal sex (largely because it was supposed to increase the chance of conception) the subject continued to, er, flourish in porn.

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Date: 2020-06-18 08:43 pm (UTC)
seascribble: the view of boba fett's codpiece and smoking blaster from if you were on the ground (Default)
From: [personal profile] seascribble
Not at ALL in favour of the violent-y terms like "wound" for the vulva, eurgh. "Slit" is cool though because it sounds like it might be some weird xeno porn. :D

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Date: 2020-06-18 09:02 pm (UTC)
jesse_the_k: Black dog staring overhead at squirrel out of frame (BELLA expectant)
From: [personal profile] jesse_the_k
Wait, are machine/engine paired to mean penis/vagina?

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Date: 2020-06-18 09:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] garonne
That's fascinating. The use of "machine" and "engine" seemed pretty baffling to me, until I realised via googling just now that before engine was used in the context of "steam engine" it was used in "siege engine" (battering rams and the like). So that fits the general "martial assault" theme pretty well...

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Date: 2020-06-19 04:47 am (UTC)
regshoe: Redwing, a brown bird with a red wing patch, perched in a tree (Default)
From: [personal profile] regshoe
Huh, I'm kind of surprised there was so much open acknowledgement of f/f relationships being a thing! Although I suppose it was seen as more of a weird sex thing than a type of relationship, or a type of person, the way we'd think of it now.

Words for penis: machine, engine, instrument, weapon, truncheon, affair, champion.

A valuable source for fic vocabulary, no doubt :D

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Date: 2020-06-19 09:00 am (UTC)
oursin: Lady Strachan and Lady Warwick kissing in the park (Regency lesbians)
From: [personal profile] oursin
It was, as I recollect from Toulalan's work in particular, seen as an initiatory stage - the hors d'oeuvre to the main course - mostly older/more experienced women with younger/naive one (which is the scenario in Fanny Hill).

Or nuns (according to Peakman, a lot of stuff that was written as anti-religious satire in France got translated and read as straight smut in British context - lesbian or slutty nuns, kinky flagellating priests, etc).

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Date: 2020-06-19 04:47 pm (UTC)
regshoe: Redwing, a brown bird with a red wing patch, perched in a tree (Default)
From: [personal profile] regshoe
Interesting stuff, thanks for the context!

a lot of stuff that was written as anti-religious satire in France got translated and read as straight smut in British context - lesbian or slutty nuns, kinky flagellating priests, etc

lol :D

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Date: 2020-06-20 05:30 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] iberiandoctor
How interesting! I particularly enjoyed your comments about the 18C porn language and its martial and violent metaphors, and the industrial revolution terminology. Of especial relevance for those of us writing in this period (and I must remind myself of these resources if I make more Strange & Norrell bookfic, which is set in 1806). Thanks for sharing this.
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